From gmn at gmn.org.ua Wed Jan 2 12:20:42 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 12:20:42 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?cG9zdHNuYXA6INC/0YDQvtC/0YPRgdGC0LjRgtGMIHBo?= =?utf-8?q?p56?= Message-ID: ? ??????????? :) ??????????, ??????????, ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? php56* ? FreeBSD 11.2 ????????? portsnap "pkg lock php56" ??????????? ?????? ??? php56-5.6.39 ?? ? postsnap, ??????, ??? ??????????. ? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?????? php, ? ??? ????? ? ??????????. ???-?? ???????? ?????? ? ? ?????????????? (/etc/make.conf) PHP_ALT=php56 php70 php72 php73 .for port in ${PHP_ALT} .if ${.CURDIR:M*/ports*/*/${port}*} PREFIX=/usr/local/${port} PHPBASE=/usr/local/${port} DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes .endif .endfor From gmn at gmn.org.ua Fri Jan 4 10:24:12 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:24:12 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?cG9zdHNuYXA6INC/0YDQvtC/0YPRgdGC0LjRgtGMIHBo?= =?utf-8?q?p56?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11b793a8-2e0b-3651-915a-16a03d40dd30@gmn.org.ua> ?????? ????. ?????? ??? ???? :) ?????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ?? ???????. ????? ???? /var/db/pkg/local.sqlite, ?????? ????????? ?????. ?????: sqlite3 local.sqlite delete from packages where name like '%php5%'; .quit ???, php56 ???????? ????????????? ? /usr/local/php56, ?? postsnap ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ?? 7.2 02.01.2019 12:20, Mikhail Golub ?????: > ? ??????????? :) > > ??????????, ??????????, ??? ?? ????????? ?????????? php56* ? > > FreeBSD 11.2 > ????????? portsnap > > "pkg lock php56" ??????????? ?????? ??? php56-5.6.39 > ?? ? postsnap, ??????, ??? ??????????. > > ? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?????? php, ? ??? ????? ? ??????????. > > ???-?? ???????? ?????? ? ? ?????????????? (/etc/make.conf) > PHP_ALT=php56 php70 php72 php73 > .for port in ${PHP_ALT} > .if ${.CURDIR:M*/ports*/*/${port}*} > PREFIX=/usr/local/${port} > PHPBASE=/usr/local/${port} > DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes > .endif > .endfor > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd mailing list > freebsd at uafug.org.ua > http://mailman.uafug.org.ua/mailman/listinfo/freebsd From gmn at gmn.org.ua Fri Jan 4 10:28:20 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:28:20 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?cG9zdHNuYXA6INC/0YDQvtC/0YPRgdGC0LjRgtGMIHBo?= =?utf-8?q?p56?= In-Reply-To: <11b793a8-2e0b-3651-915a-16a03d40dd30@gmn.org.ua> References: <11b793a8-2e0b-3651-915a-16a03d40dd30@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: ????, ?? postsnap, ? portmaster. ????? ????, ????? ?????? :( 04.01.2019 10:24, Mikhail Golub ?????: > ?????? ????. > > ?????? ??? ???? :) > ?????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ?? ???????. > > ????? ???? /var/db/pkg/local.sqlite, ?????? ????????? ?????. > ?????: > sqlite3 local.sqlite > delete from packages where name like '%php5%'; > .quit > > ???, php56 ???????? ????????????? ? /usr/local/php56, ?? postsnap ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ?? 7.2 > > > 02.01.2019 12:20, Mikhail Golub ?????: >> ? ??????????? :) >> >> ??????????, ??????????, ??? ?? ????????? ?????????? php56* ? >> >> FreeBSD 11.2 >> ????????? portsnap >> >> "pkg lock php56" ??????????? ?????? ??? php56-5.6.39 >> ?? ? postsnap, ??????, ??? ??????????. >> >> ? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ?????? php, ? ??? ????? ? ??????????. >> >> ???-?? ???????? ?????? ? ? ?????????????? (/etc/make.conf) >> PHP_ALT=php56 php70 php72 php73 >> .for port in ${PHP_ALT} >> .if ${.CURDIR:M*/ports*/*/${port}*} >> PREFIX=/usr/local/${port} >> PHPBASE=/usr/local/${port} >> DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=yes >> .endif >> .endfor >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd mailing list >> freebsd at uafug.org.ua >> http://mailman.uafug.org.ua/mailman/listinfo/freebsd > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd mailing list > freebsd at uafug.org.ua > http://mailman.uafug.org.ua/mailman/listinfo/freebsd From alexandr.ulanov at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 15:22:09 2019 From: alexandr.ulanov at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQu9C10LrRgdCw0L3QtNGAINCj0LvQsNC90L7Qsg==?=) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 16:22:09 +0300 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= Message-ID: ????????????! ??????????????? FreeBSD 10.4 MPD5 5.8-7. ??? ?????? ??????? - ?? 3-5 ???? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???????????????. ? ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????: ?? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???????????? ?? ????, ?? ? ?? ??? ???? ? ???. ?? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ?????????????. ????? ?????????? - ? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? ????? ??????. ????? ?? ????????, ???????????). ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ? SSD c FreeBSD ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????????? 4 ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ???????: Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 2.66GHz 4G Memory FreeBSD 10.4 MPD5 5.8-7 ???????? ?????? ??? PPTP ?????? ??? ??????????. ?????? ?? ????????? ??????. NAT? ???. ??????? ???. ?????-?? ?????? ????????????? ????? ??? - ??????? ?? ????, ??????? ?? ?????. ??????? igb ????????????? ~900 ? ??? ?????? ~800 ????/? (80 Kpps) Download ? 200-300 ????/? (60 Kpps) Upload ? ??? ???? Generic ? ?????????????????? # options INET6 . ?????????? ?????? ??????? ? ??????????????? ? ?????????? ???? ??? IPv6. ?? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ?? ????. ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ?????????, [image: Mailtrack] Sender notified by Mailtrack 08.01.19, 16:21:29 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeletor at lissyara.su Tue Jan 8 16:45:45 2019 From: skeletor at lissyara.su (skeletor) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 16:45:45 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bb4b63b-8a66-e36d-b8ea-b3dde114ef98@lissyara.su> 08.01.2019 15:22, ????????? ?????? ?????: > ????????????! > > ??????????????? FreeBSD 10.4 MPD5 5.8-7. ??? ?????? ??????? - ?? 3-5 > ???? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???????????????. ? > ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????: ?? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? > ???????????? ?? ????, ?? ? ?? ??? ???? ? ???. ?? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????? > ????? ??????? ????? ?????????????. ????? ?????????? - ? ????? ?????. ?? > ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? > ????? ??????. ????? ?? ????????, ???????????). ?????? ?????? - ???? > ??????? ? SSD c FreeBSD ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????????? 4 ??? > ? ??????? ????? ????? > > ???????? ???????: > > Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 2.66GHz > 4G Memory > FreeBSD 10.4 > MPD5 5.8-7 > ???????? ?????? ??? PPTP ?????? ??? ??????????. ?????? ?? ????????? > ??????. NAT? ???. ??????? ???. ?????-?? ?????? ????????????? ????? ??? - > ??????? ?? ????, ??????? ?? ?????. > ??????? igb > ????????????? ~900 ? ??? > ?????? ~800 ????/? (80 Kpps) Download ? 200-300 ????/? (60 Kpps) Upload > ? ??? > ???? Generic ? ?????????????????? # options INET6 . > ?????????? ?????? ??????? ? ??????????????? ? ?????????? ???? ??? IPv6. > ?? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ?? ????. > > ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ????????. > ?????? ?????????, > ?? ???? ??? ?? 10.4, ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? IPv6 ?? 8.1 ????? ???? ??? ? ??????? options SCTP ????? ipv6 ??? ????? ?????????????. From eugen at grosbein.net Wed Jan 9 09:30:32 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 14:30:32 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88310f43-53f9-92a1-f4d1-a1b85a9873f1@grosbein.net> 08.01.2019 20:22, ????????? ?????? ?????: > ????????????! > > ??????????????? FreeBSD 10.4 MPD5 5.8-7. ??? ?????? ??????? - ?? 3-5 ???? ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???????????????. ? ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????: ?? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???????????? ?? ????, ?? ? ?? ??? ???? ? ???. ?? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ?????????????. ????? ?????????? - ? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? ????? ??????. ????? ?? ????????, ???????????). ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ? SSD c FreeBSD ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????????? 4 ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? > > ???????? ???????: > > Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 2.66GHz > 4G Memory > FreeBSD 10.4 > MPD5 5.8-7 > ???????? ?????? ??? PPTP ?????? ??? ??????????. ?????? ?? ????????? ??????. NAT? ???. ??????? ???. > ?????-?? ?????? ????????????? ????? ??? - ??????? ?? ????, ??????? ?? ?????. > ??????? igb > ????????????? ~900 ? ??? > ?????? ~800 ????/? (80 Kpps) Download ? 200-300 ????/? (60 Kpps) Upload ? ??? > ???? Generic ? ?????????????????? # options INET6 . > ?????????? ?????? ??????? ? ??????????????? ? ?????????? ???? ??? IPv6. ?? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ?? ????. > > ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ????????. > ?????? ?????????, ??? ????????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? FreeBSD, ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????/???????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ? ?????????? mpd5. ??????? ?????????? ?? 10.4-STABLE ??? ????? ????? ?? 11.2-STABLE, ??? ??? ????????? 10.4 ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????? ??? ? ?? ???????. ???? ????????? ??????????? ??????: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=220078 From alexandr.ulanov at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:54:16 2019 From: alexandr.ulanov at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JDQu9C10LrRgdCw0L3QtNGAINCj0LvQsNC90L7Qsg==?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:54:16 +0300 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ???????????? ???????! ??? ????????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? > FreeBSD, > ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????/???????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ? > ?????????? mpd5. > > ??????? ?????????? ?? 10.4-STABLE ??? ????? ????? ?? 11.2-STABLE, ??? ??? > ????????? 10.4 > ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????? ??? ? ?? ???????. > > ???? ????????? ??????????? ??????: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=220078 > ??????? ?? ?????, ???????. ???? ??????: ???? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ? 10 ?????? ??? 30.11. ? ??? ????? ?????? 10.4 RELEASE, ????????? 31.11. ? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? 03.12. ? ??????? ????????? ???? ?????, ?, ???? ? ????????? ??????????, ? ??????????, ????????? 03.12 ???? ?????? ??? ???. ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ????????? ???? 10.4 - ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ? ?? ?????????? ?? 11.2 (10.4) - ???? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ????????????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????????, ????????? ???????????? ?????? ??? "???????? ???????" (4967) 34-16-40, 34-16-41 ???. 1171 Jabber: alexander at jabber.rosinteh.com ??, 8 ???. 2019 ?. ? 16:22, ????????? ?????? : > ????????????! > > ??????????????? FreeBSD 10.4 MPD5 5.8-7. ??? ?????? ??????? - ?? 3-5 ???? > ???????? ?????????, ? ????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???????????????. ? ????????? > ?????? ????? ?? ???????: ?? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???????????? ?? > ????, ?? ? ?? ??? ???? ? ???. ?? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????? > ?????????????. ????? ?????????? - ? ????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? > ? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? ????? ??????. ????? ?? > ????????, ???????????). ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ? SSD c FreeBSD > ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????????? 4 ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? > > ???????? ???????: > > Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 2.66GHz > 4G Memory > FreeBSD 10.4 > MPD5 5.8-7 > ???????? ?????? ??? PPTP ?????? ??? ??????????. ?????? ?? ????????? > ??????. NAT? ???. ??????? ???. ?????-?? ?????? ????????????? ????? ??? - > ??????? ?? ????, ??????? ?? ?????. > ??????? igb > ????????????? ~900 ? ??? > ?????? ~800 ????/? (80 Kpps) Download ? 200-300 ????/? (60 Kpps) Upload ? > ??? > ???? Generic ? ?????????????????? # options INET6 . > ?????????? ?????? ??????? ? ??????????????? ? ?????????? ???? ??? IPv6. ?? > ?????? ??????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ?? ????. > > ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ????????. > ?????? ?????????, > > [image: Mailtrack] > Sender > notified by > Mailtrack > 08.01.19, > 16:21:29 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adsh at univ.kiev.ua Fri Jan 11 02:54:14 2019 From: adsh at univ.kiev.ua (Alexander Sheiko) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 02:54:14 +0200 (EET) Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59bffb0ce6894c5017a0575b897f2820.squirrel@mail.univ.kiev.ua> ? ?????? ?? ???, 10 ??? 2019, 09:54 ????????? ?????? ?????: > ???? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ? 10 ?????? ??? 30.11. ? ??? ????? > ?????? 10.4 RELEASE, ????????? 31.11. ? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? > ?????? 03.12. ? ??????? ????????? ???? ?????, ?, ???? ? ????????? > ??????????, ? ??????????, ????????? 03.12 ???? ?????? ??? ???. > ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ????????? ???? 10.4 - ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? > ????? ??????? ??????????? ??? ????, ??? ??????????? RELEASE ? STABLE ? ??? ????? RELEASE-pXX. 10.4 RELEASE ????? 3 ??????? 2017-?? - ?????? ??? ????? ?????... ??? ????? ???? ? STABLE, ????????? ????????? ?????? ??? 10.4 RELEASE ?????????? 31 ??????? 2018 ????. -- Alexander Sheiko From eugen at grosbein.net Fri Jan 11 14:21:52 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:21:52 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 10.01.2019 14:54, ????????? ?????? ?????: > ??? ????????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? FreeBSD, > ??????????? ??? ?????? ????????/???????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ? ?????????? mpd5. > ??????? ?????????? ?? 10.4-STABLE ??? ????? ????? ?? 11.2-STABLE, ??? ??? ????????? 10.4 > ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????? ??? ? ?? ???????. > ???? ????????? ??????????? ??????: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=220078 > > > ??????? ?? ?????, ???????. ???? ??????: > ???? ?? ????????, ?? ?????? ?????? ? 10 ?????? ??? 30.11. ? ??? ????? ?????? 10.4 RELEASE, ????????? 31.11. ???????, ????? ????????? ?????, ?????????? ? ??????? 2017 ????. > ? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? 03.12. ???????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? release/10.4.0 ??? releng/10.4, ?? ??? ??????????? ??? ? ?? ?????: ???????? ????? ??? ???????????? ???????, ? ? releng/10.4 ???????? ?????? ????? ????????????. ? ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????, ??? release/10.4.0. ??????????? ???? ? ?????? stable: stable/10, stable/11 ? stable/12, ?? ??????? ????? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ?? ??????? ????? ?????????? 10.4-STABLE, 11.2-STABLE ? 12.0-STABLE. > ? ?? ?????????? ?? 11.2 (10.4) - ???? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ????????????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ????????? stable ? ??????????? ??????? ?? ??????????. ????????? 11.2-STABLE. From adsh at univ.kiev.ua Fri Jan 11 16:14:53 2019 From: adsh at univ.kiev.ua (Alexander Sheiko) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:14:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? ?????? ?? ???, 11 ??? 2019, 14:21 Eugene Grosbein ?????: > ??????????? ???? ? ?????? stable: stable/10 ... ?? > ??????? ????? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ?? > ??????? ????? ?????????? 10.4-STABLE ??????? ????? 10.5 ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ????? ????????????? ????? stable/10, ???? ??? ?? ?????. -- Alexander Sheiko From eugen at grosbein.net Fri Jan 11 16:47:28 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:47:28 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] =?utf-8?b?0J/QtdGA0LXQt9Cw0LPRgNGD0LbQsNC10YLRgdGPIEZy?= =?utf-8?q?eeBSD_10=2E4_MPD5_5=2E8-7?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a25a457-dbd3-229f-37a8-d2739fc660ea@grosbein.net> 11.01.2019 21:14, Alexander Sheiko ?????: > > ? ?????? ?? ???, 11 ??? 2019, 14:21 Eugene Grosbein ?????: > >> ??????????? ???? ? ?????? stable: stable/10 ... ?? >> ??????? ????? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? ?? >> ??????? ????? ?????????? 10.4-STABLE > > ??????? ????? 10.5 ??????? ?????? ???. > > ?????? ????????? ????? ????????????? ????? stable/10, ???? ??? ?? ?????. ?????? ?? ????? stable/10 ??????????? ?????? 10.0, 10.1 ? 10.2 ? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ????? stable/10 ?????? ?? ???????? - ????? ????, ? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?? head, ????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ? 10.4-RELEASE ?? 10.4-STABLE. ? ??????? ??????? 10.4-RELEASE ?? ??????????? ????????? stable/10 ?????? ?????? ????. From gmn at gmn.org.ua Tue Jan 15 11:23:04 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:23:04 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem Message-ID: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> ??????? ??????? ?????. ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). ??, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ?? unbound ??? ?? ???? ?????????. ??????, "?? ???????", ?? ????????? ????. ??????????, ????, ??? ?????????? ? bind, ????? ?? ????????? ??????. ????? timeout ????????? - ?? ????? ?????? ?????????. ??? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ????? ?? ???? ???-???????? ????. ? ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ? ????? ???? ? ???? ? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???????????? ? ???????. # dig ua.energy mx +trace ... energy. 172800 IN NS demand.beta.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.alpha.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.delta.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.gamma.aridns.net.au. ;; Received 334 bytes from 192.5.5.241#53(f.root-servers.net) in 1 ms ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns1.regery.net. ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns2.regery.net. ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns3.regery.net. couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': not found couldn't get address for 'ns2.regery.net': not found couldn't get address for 'ns3.regery.net': not found dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': no more Unbound "??????" ?????? 20, ?? ???? ?????????. ... energy. 172800 IN NS demand.alpha.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.gamma.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.beta.aridns.net.au. energy. 172800 IN NS demand.delta.aridns.net.au. ;; Received 334 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 27 ms ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns2.regery.net. ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns3.regery.net. ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns1.regery.net. couldn't get address for 'ns2.regery.net': not found ;; Received 102 bytes from 37.209.194.7#53(demand.beta.aridns.net.au) in 34 ms ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 30 relay2.ua.energy. ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 5 mainrelay.energy.gov.ua. ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 20 relay1.ua.energy. ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 10 mainrelay.ua.energy. ;; Received 197 bytes from 35.170.166.132#53(ns1.regery.net) in 129 ms From eugen at grosbein.net Tue Jan 15 11:37:18 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:37:18 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: <43cca70c-e736-f154-52b1-288a6b362c34@grosbein.net> 15.01.2019 16:23, Mikhail Golub ?????: > ??????? ??????? ?????. > > ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... > ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. > > ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy > bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). > Unbound "??????" ?????? 20, ?? ???? ?????????. ? ????? ??????? ???? *????????* ? ???????? ?????? ????? ? ???????????. From gmn at gmn.org.ua Tue Jan 15 11:39:10 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:39:10 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <43cca70c-e736-f154-52b1-288a6b362c34@grosbein.net> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <43cca70c-e736-f154-52b1-288a6b362c34@grosbein.net> Message-ID: FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p8 BIND 9.12.3-P1 (9.11 ?? ?? ????????) unbound 1.5.10 15.01.2019 11:37, Eugene Grosbein ?????: > 15.01.2019 16:23, Mikhail Golub ?????: >> ??????? ??????? ?????. >> >> ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... >> ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. >> >> ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy >> bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). > >> Unbound "??????" ?????? 20, ?? ???? ?????????. > > ? ????? ??????? ???? *????????* ? ???????? ?????? ????? ? ???????????. > > From netch at netch.kiev.ua Tue Jan 15 11:48:59 2019 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:48:59 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: <20190115094859.GD599@netch.kiev.ua> Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:23:04, gmn wrote about "[freebsd] DNS problem": > ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... > ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. > > ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy > bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). ? ???? SERVFAIL'???? ?? 9.9.4 ?? ???????. ??????, BSD ?? ????? ??? ???. ? ?? ??? ???????, ?? ????? ?????, ??? ??? ????????. :) > ??, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ??? ??????, ? ?????, ? ??? ??????? ? ?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ?? ??????. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns1.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns2.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns3.regery.net. > couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': not found > couldn't get address for 'ns2.regery.net': not found > couldn't get address for 'ns3.regery.net': not found > dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': no more ? ???? ??? ?? ??????????? ?????????? (??????? ??????? 2). ???????? BIND ARM ???? ????? resolver-query-timeout ? options. ?????? ????????? ?? 30, ????? ????????? ua.energy MX. ???? ? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ??... -netch- From gmn at gmn.org.ua Tue Jan 15 12:02:34 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:02:34 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <20190115094859.GD599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <20190115094859.GD599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <715be4a1-e316-6a72-ba98-a4716d930ec2@gmn.org.ua> 15.01.2019 11:48, Valentin Nechayev ?????: >> ??, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ??? ??????, > > ? ?????, ? ??? ??????? ? ?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ?? ??????. ??????? ????? https://intodns.com/ - ??????. https://intodns.com/ua.energy https://intodns.com/namebrightdns.com > ???????? BIND ARM ???? ????? resolver-query-timeout ? options. > ?????? ????????? ?? 30, ????? ????????? ua.energy MX. > ???? ? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ??... ???????. ??? ??? ????? ????? ? ?? ????? :( ??, ? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ?? 60. unbound ?? ??? ?? ????? ????????. ?????? ?????, ?? ????????. From oleg at theweb.org.ua Tue Jan 15 12:17:35 2019 From: oleg at theweb.org.ua (Oleg V. Nauman) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:17:35 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: <16347009.sFgvYJuXru@asus.theweb.org.ua> On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:23:04 AM EET Mikhail Golub wrote: > ??????? ??????? ?????. > > ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... > ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. > > ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy > bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). > ??, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ?? unbound ??? ?? ???? ?????????. > ??????, "?? ???????", ?? ????????? ????. ??????????, ????, ??? ?????????? ? > bind, ????? ?? ????????? ??????. > > ????? timeout ????????? - ?? ????? ?????? ?????????. > ??? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ????? ?? ???? ???-???????? ????. ? ?? ????? > ???????????, ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ? ????? ???? ? ???? ? ????? > ????????, ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???????????? ? ???????. > > # dig ua.energy mx +trace > .... > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.beta.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.alpha.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.delta.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.gamma.aridns.net.au. > ;; Received 334 bytes from 192.5.5.241#53(f.root-servers.net) in 1 ms > > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns1.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns2.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns3.regery.net. > couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': not found > couldn't get address for 'ns2.regery.net': not found > couldn't get address for 'ns3.regery.net': not found > dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.regery.net': no more ?? ?????? glue records ? namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd1.namebrightdns.com. namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd2.namebrightdns.com. ????? ?????????? ??? ??? ??????????? regery.net ???? ?? ???-?? ??????????? ???????. > > > > Unbound "??????" ?????? 20, ?? ???? ?????????. > .... > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.alpha.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.gamma.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.beta.aridns.net.au. > energy. 172800 IN NS demand.delta.aridns.net.au. > ;; Received 334 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 27 ms > > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns2.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns3.regery.net. > ua.energy. 86400 IN NS ns1.regery.net. > couldn't get address for 'ns2.regery.net': not found > ;; Received 102 bytes from 37.209.194.7#53(demand.beta.aridns.net.au) in 34 > ms > > ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 30 relay2.ua.energy. > ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 5 mainrelay.energy.gov.ua. > ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 20 relay1.ua.energy. > ua.energy. 10800 IN MX 10 mainrelay.ua.energy. > ;; Received 197 bytes from 35.170.166.132#53(ns1.regery.net) in 129 ms From eugen at grosbein.net Tue Jan 15 12:39:49 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:39:49 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <43cca70c-e736-f154-52b1-288a6b362c34@grosbein.net> Message-ID: <15e850ae-9a5d-d6ce-6d3a-511e623530d3@grosbein.net> 15.01.2019 16:39, Mikhail Golub ?????: > FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p8 > BIND 9.12.3-P1 (9.11 ?? ?? ????????) > unbound 1.5.10 > > 15.01.2019 11:37, Eugene Grosbein ?????: >> 15.01.2019 16:23, Mikhail Golub ?????: >>> ??????? ??????? ?????. >>> >>> ???????? "?????BSD-????" ... >>> ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??????? ???????. >>> >>> ???? ????? ????? - ua.energy >>> bind ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???? MX-?????? (????? ??????). >> >>> Unbound "??????" ?????? 20, ?? ???? ?????????. >> >> ? ????? ??????? ???? *????????* ? ???????? ?????? ????? ? ???????????. > FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p8 > BIND 9.12.3-P1 (9.11 ?? ?? ????????) > unbound 1.5.10 ? unbound ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ? ???? (????????, ? ????????? TTL) ??? ???????? ????????? ????. ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????? energy, ? ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ua.energy ? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????, ???????? ?? ?????? ????????. ?, ?????????? ??????, ?????? ??? ? ???????? ?? ????? bind911-9.11.5_1 - ??? "???????" ??????? MX ?????????????? ????? ???????? ?? demand.gamma.aridns.net.au. From netch at netch.kiev.ua Tue Jan 15 12:41:03 2019 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:41:03 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <16347009.sFgvYJuXru@asus.theweb.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <16347009.sFgvYJuXru@asus.theweb.org.ua> Message-ID: <20190115104102.GH599@netch.kiev.ua> Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 12:17:35, oleg wrote about "Re: [freebsd] DNS problem": > ?? ?????? glue records ? > > namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd1.namebrightdns.com. > namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd2.namebrightdns.com. > > ????? ?????????? ??? ??? ??????????? regery.net > > ???? ?? ???-?? ??????????? ???????. glue records ??? ??? ????. ? ??? ?????? ?????????. ???????? ????? IP nbd[12].namebrightdns.com. ?? ????????. ?? IP'????? ??? ns1, ns2 ???????? ? gtld-servers.net, ??????? ????? ? com, ? net, ? additional section. ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????, ? ??? ? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????? 9.9, 9.10 ??????? ????????. ? ??????, ?????????? "???????" ?????????? ??????? ?? additional section ???? ?????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ????????. ? ?????????, ??? ??????????, ??? ????? ?????? named ?? IP ??? ns[12].namebrightdns.com, ??????? gtld-servers.net ?????? ? additional ??? ??????? ??? ns[123].regery.net, ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????? - named ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? NS'? ?? ???????????? ???????. ? ??? ??? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ??, ??? nbd[12] ? ???????? ?? ????????, ?? ???????? ???????? ???????????? ????? ???? ??? ??????????? IP. ? ?? ??????, ??????? ??? ?? additional ????????? ?? ????, ??????? ???????? ?? ???????, ??????? IP ??? ns[123].regery.net ? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ????. ??? ??? ? unbound, ???? ???????? - ??? ????????, ?? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? ???????????? ?????, ??, ?????, ?? ??????????? ????????? ?????. -netch- From gmn at gmn.org.ua Tue Jan 15 13:44:55 2019 From: gmn at gmn.org.ua (Mikhail Golub) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:44:55 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <20190115104102.GH599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <16347009.sFgvYJuXru@asus.theweb.org.ua> <20190115104102.GH599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <3000c071-28cf-c89d-c170-d56066c11c41@gmn.org.ua> ????? ??????? ? ????? # dig ns namebrightdns.com +trace +nodnssec namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd1.namebrightdns.com. namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd2.namebrightdns.com. ;; Received 292 bytes from 192.41.162.30#53(l.gtld-servers.net) in 62 ms ;; expected opt record in response namebrightdns.com. 10800 IN NS ns1.namebrightdns.com. namebrightdns.com. 10800 IN NS ns2.namebrightdns.com. ;; Received 178 bytes from 52.45.98.158#53(nbd2.namebrightdns.com) in 4324 ms ?? ???? ??????? ? https://intodns.com/namebrightdns.com You should already know that your NS records at your nameservers are missing, so here it is again: nbd1.namebrightdns.com. nbd2.namebrightdns.com. ??????, ??? ?? :( ???? ?????????? ??? ???????????? ????????. # dig ns namebrightdns.com @8.8.8.8 +nodnssec ; <<>> DiG 9.12.3-P1 <<>> ns namebrightdns.com @8.8.8.8 +nodnssec ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 18214 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;namebrightdns.com. IN NS ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: ?? ???. 15 13:42:07 EET 2019 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 46 P.S. ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????. ? ????. ??? ????? ? freebsd-beer. From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue Jan 15 13:55:16 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:55:16 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <3000c071-28cf-c89d-c170-d56066c11c41@gmn.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <16347009.sFgvYJuXru@asus.theweb.org.ua> <20190115104102.GH599@netch.kiev.ua> <3000c071-28cf-c89d-c170-d56066c11c41@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: <92502D52-55E5-45E5-80AF-241A7ECD84CB@academ.kiev.ua> > On Jan 15, 2019, at 13:44, Mikhail Golub wrote: > > ????? ??????? ? ????? BIND ? ???????? ??????????????? ???????????? ????????? ???????? "?? ???". ?? ? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ????? http://dnsviz.net/d/namebrightdns.com/dnssec/ 12 ??????, 16 ?????????????? > > # dig ns namebrightdns.com +trace +nodnssec > > namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd1.namebrightdns.com. > namebrightdns.com. 172800 IN NS nbd2.namebrightdns.com. > ;; Received 292 bytes from 192.41.162.30#53(l.gtld-servers.net) in 62 ms > > ;; expected opt record in response > namebrightdns.com. 10800 IN NS ns1.namebrightdns.com. > namebrightdns.com. 10800 IN NS ns2.namebrightdns.com. > ;; Received 178 bytes from 52.45.98.158#53(nbd2.namebrightdns.com) in 4324 ms > > ?? ???? ??????? ? https://intodns.com/namebrightdns.com > > You should already know that your NS records at your nameservers are missing, so here it is again: > > nbd1.namebrightdns.com. > nbd2.namebrightdns.com. > > ??????, ??? ?? :( > > > ???? ?????????? ??? ???????????? ????????. > > # dig ns namebrightdns.com @8.8.8.8 +nodnssec > > ; <<>> DiG 9.12.3-P1 <<>> ns namebrightdns.com @8.8.8.8 +nodnssec > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 18214 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;namebrightdns.com. IN NS > > ;; Query time: 0 msec > ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) > ;; WHEN: ?? ???. 15 13:42:07 EET 2019 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 46 > > > P.S. ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ???????? ??????. > ? ????. ??? ????? ? freebsd-beer. uanog ??????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ????????, ??? beer > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd mailing list > freebsd at uafug.org.ua > http://mailman.uafug.org.ua/mailman/listinfo/freebsd -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From eugen at grosbein.net Tue Jan 15 14:18:41 2019 From: eugen at grosbein.net (Eugene Grosbein) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 19:18:41 +0700 Subject: [freebsd] DNS problem In-Reply-To: <715be4a1-e316-6a72-ba98-a4716d930ec2@gmn.org.ua> References: <47dc8d31-0fcd-62db-bc9e-4cd764203dcc@gmn.org.ua> <20190115094859.GD599@netch.kiev.ua> <715be4a1-e316-6a72-ba98-a4716d930ec2@gmn.org.ua> Message-ID: 15.01.2019 17:02, Mikhail Golub ?????: > > > 15.01.2019 11:48, Valentin Nechayev ?????: >>> ??, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ??? ??????, >> >> ? ?????, ? ??? ??????? ? ?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ?? ??????. > > ??????? ????? https://intodns.com/ - ??????. > https://intodns.com/ua.energy > https://intodns.com/namebrightdns.com > >> ???????? BIND ARM ???? ????? resolver-query-timeout ? options. >> ?????? ????????? ?? 30, ????? ????????? ua.energy MX. >> ???? ? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ???? ???????? ??????? ??... > > ???????. ??? ??? ????? ????? ? ?? ????? :( > ??, ? ?????????, ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ?? 60. > unbound ?? ??? ?? ????? ????????. ?????? ?????, ?? ????????. named ????? ? ???: edns-disabled: info: success resolving 'ns2.namebrightdns.com/A' (in 'com'?) after reducing the advertised EDNS UDP packet size to 512 octets From krylov at ukr.net Tue Jan 22 09:38:11 2019 From: krylov at ukr.net (Alexey Krylov) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 09:38:11 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] Which fib has running process Message-ID: <1067504701.20190122093811@ukr.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From netch at netch.kiev.ua Tue Jan 22 09:47:02 2019 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 09:47:02 +0200 Subject: [freebsd] Which fib has running process In-Reply-To: <1067504701.20190122093811@ukr.net> References: <1067504701.20190122093811@ukr.net> Message-ID: <20190122074702.GN599@netch.kiev.ua> hi, Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:38:11, krylov wrote about "[freebsd] Which fib has running process": ????? ?? ???????????? html ???, ??? ?????????? text/plain. FIB ???????? ????? ??????, ????????, ???: ps -p 32265 -o fib. ?? ???? ???????, ????????? ?? ? ?????? FIB ??????????????? ? ?????????, ?????? ??????? ?? ????, ??????? ???? ????? inet-?????? ??? unix-??????. ?????? ?????, ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????????. ?? ????? ps ????????? ???? ?????. -netch-